MENOMONIE, Wis. – Pilar Gerasimo is a self-proclaimed “healthy deviant” – which she describes as someone who has the willingness to defy the cultural norms that are working against them.

Gerasimo co-hosts “The Living Experiment” podcast with her friend Dallas Hartwig, who’s the co-founder of The Whole30.

“We talk about everything having to do with a happy, healthy life,” Gerasimo says.

Episode titles of the podcast include things like meditation, anxiety, dating, weight loss and decluttering. At the end of each episode, Gerasimo and Hartwig give you an experiment for you to try in your own life.

Gerasimo started Experience Life Magazine with Lifetime Fitness in 2001 and also worked for the Huffington Post.

She’s currently in the middle of writing a book called “The Healthy Deviant: A Rule Breakers Guide to Being a Healthy Person in an Unhealthy World”.

As Hartwig also works on his own book, the two are taking a break from recording new episodes of the podcast, but all one hundred episodes are still available to listen to here.

Gerasimo also operates the website TheHealthyDeviant.com.